Bill Meylan of TullyRunners once again opens the door to his methods of statistical analysis, to look at three of the best, non-Foot Locker Times ever run. To head over to the breakdown of the Best Individuals ever, as well as a look into the rationale and speed rating process, click here to skip ahead.
Meanwhile, it got us thinking, what were some of the best teams ever assembled. Could it be possible, that New York holds both the Boys and the Girls best teams ever in the sport? Note: Our criteria for Speed Rating composition is taking the best speed rating of that individual over the course of the season into account. This would indicate their realistic potential for a given race, if everyone was on their "A" Game. This is also different for the "Greatest Team Performance Ever," which would refer to a single race.
We start with the more clear answer: The Girls. The 2004 Saratoga Girls Team is highly regarded as the best team to ever tackle the sport. They were one of the only HS Squads who would have been competitive at the NCAA level that year. They stand as the only program to qualify four individuals at a single Foot Locker Regional, also being one of the tougher regions that year. And then, you can simply look at their Speed Ratings. If you were to remove their top 4 runners, and have that squad run NXN in 2014, they would have won the whole competition with only 46 points. The only team we can think of that would be competitive would be the Fayetteville-Manlius team of 2010, who would score an unprecedented 26 points to win NXN.
And now for the more difficult question: The Boys. Most Speed Ratings come from the more modern era of XC, aka 2000 and beyond. While there may have been a US Distance running slump for some of the time before that, there were great teams in the mid-70's and 80's. Those marks have not been speed rated, so it would be harder to determine a true winner in our eyes. Even then, some of the more national marks from the early 00's are also hazy, a time before NXN. But we've come up with three good possibilities.
First, the easy part. We believe that the 2004 FM performance at Feds, is the single Greatest Team Performance, also known as the point in which all marks were run in the same race. And yet, they lost to the team from York, Ill at NXN that year, proving the power of the Long Green Line. And now, enter in the Fayetteville-Manlius team of 2014. Head to head, you could make a very good case for either team. We'll let you be the judge on that one.
All photos by Don Rich, MileSplit
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Recent
inquiries prompted this article ... Since TullyRunners focuses on
speed ratings for cross country, some viewers are asking about the highest
speed ratings at the nation level in past years ... In particular, they are
asking about the speed ratings for the following three
performances:
...
Dathan Ritzenhein - at the Michigan State Meet 2000 (MI State
course record)
... German Fernandez - at the California State Meet 2007
(Woodward Park course record)
... Cathy Schiro - at the Kinney (Footlocker) Northeast Seeded Race
1984 (Van Cortland Park course record)
Followers
of TullyRunners probably know that the speed ratings for the Footlocker
National races are generally the highest speed ratings I have
derived nationally ... Each year I post the
historical Footlocker results with
speed ratings (including the highest).
The following table lists my
highest speed ratings from both Footlocker and other XC races
(including the three performances mentioned above) ... Please Remember
-The lists are limited to races I have evaluated ... and that
excludes most non-Footlocker races prior to 2000.
For those interested, this article also discusses the method used to derive the speed rating for Dathan Ritzenhein's Michigan State Meet record ... Plus some background information on Cathy Schiro (see why she was capable of high speed ratings).
Bill Meylan of TullyRunners once again opens the door to his methods of statistical analysis, to look at three of the best, non-Foot Locker Times ever run. To head over to the breakdown of the Best Individuals ever, as well as a look into the rationale and speed rating process, click here to skip ahead.
Meanwhile, it got us thinking, what were some of the best teams ever assembled. Could it be possible, that New York holds both the Boys and the Girls best teams ever in the sport? Note: Our criteria for Speed Rating composition is taking the best speed rating of that individual over the course of the season into account. This would indicate their realistic potential for a given race, if everyone was on their "A" Game. This is also different for the "Greatest Team Performance Ever," which would refer to a single race.